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Skex Relbore
Space Exploitation Inc
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Posted - 2013.01.04 21:12:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Nullbears always whine how they want more players to come there, but at the end of the day all they really want is more serfs to make their e-peens feel bigger and more baby seals to club. So trying to get them to make any kind of positive change to nullsec is never going to happen. They are incapable of thinking in that way. They only understand negative change, hence it's all just a "nerf hisec" mantra for them.
You know the only time I've ever seen this sentiment expressed is by whiny losers who couldn't actually hack it in null . Why on earth (or space) would we want more people in null? More people means more risk, more potential awoxers, more spies, more competition for rats and resources, it means more disruptions to our isk making activities.
Unless we're deployed I'm not comfortable in any system where the population won't fit my local window without scrolling. The whole point of taking and holding SOV the reward for sitting in all those blobs people like to whine about, grinding all those structures and suffering through Boat stories is we get a bit of space that is our own (as long as we can defend it) to exploit to improve our game experience by letting us accumulate assets that we can then use to turn around and kick someone's teeth in away from our space.
We don't want more people out here and we most certainly aren't interested in the sort of anti-social mouth breathers who can't manage the minimal social graces required to join a corporation.
You and the OP are trying to address a problem that doesn't exist. NBSI isn't the default state because the mean ole null dictators forced it on everyone. It's the default state because it's the best policy. In EVE combat, hell in combat period, the advantage generally goes to the aggressor.
NRDS gives the advantage to the outsider in that the local resident is forced to wait until the outsider takes an aggressive action before being able to react. In most cases in this game that's pretty much the end of the fight as the outsider is unlikely to take the initial aggressive action unless they are reasonably assured of success.
NBSI levels the playing field in that both parties have equal opportunity to take aggressive action first. The outsider can't just get into optimal scan your ship and then decide whether or not to fight you based on how certain they are of victory.
NBSI makes it much easier to know friend from foe, if they aren't a friend they are automatically a foe.
Personally I think there are two types of people who avoid null sec, the anti-social unlikable and those who are misinformed (or perhaps victimized by a poor alliance in the past) about what life in SOV null is all about.
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Skex Relbore
Space Exploitation Inc
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2013.01.04 21:35:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Skex Relbore wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:Nullbears always whine how they want more players to come there, but at the end of the day all they really want is more serfs to make their e-peens feel bigger and more baby seals to club. So trying to get them to make any kind of positive change to nullsec is never going to happen. They are incapable of thinking in that way. They only understand negative change, hence it's all just a "nerf hisec" mantra for them. You know the only time I've ever seen this sentiment expressed is by whiny losers who couldn't actually hack it in null . Why on earth (or space) would we want more people in null? More people means more risk, more potential awoxers, more spies, more competition for rats and resources, it means more disruptions to our isk making activities. So, it would be fair to say you want them to get off your lawn? 
You darn tooting right sista ;-)
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Skex Relbore
Space Exploitation Inc
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2013.01.04 21:54:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Skex Relbore wrote:
Long rant about other people
Rocks and glass houses. The only alliance to come out of the NC collapse with their SOV was Lawn.
Do you actually have a point? I wasn't a part of Lawn when it was a part of the NC so I could really give a damn about what happened then. That's part of life, empires rise empires fall. Hell the last two alliances I was a part of managed to get themselves commisarried out of the cluster we were just lucky/good enough to see the writing on the wall and get out ahead of the drama.
Doesn't change my point one bit. Lawn was smart enough to make common cause with friends who were big enough to help them survive. That's the way this game works, make friends be successful, be a selfish anti-social dimwitt and fail, then cry about it on the forums.
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Skex Relbore
Space Exploitation Inc
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2013.01.04 22:03:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Cameron Cahill wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:So the case was made for NRDS.
People rushed in making the case for NBSI.
NRDS is a failure, say those who shoot anything that is not blue.
So, how's that empty and boring nullsec working out for ya?
Fine as everyone that actually lives in null knows its not empty. This is pretty hard to deny. You don't even need to live there. Just look at the rat kills and system jumps on the map. None of it is "empty". Most High sec people just ask why it is they are the ones getting beat over the back with the nerf bat every time one of CCP's spread sheets don't look all tidy and proper.
I blame it on the same cry babies who come up with such brilliance as suggesting that the way to fix null is to emulate people who chose to role play racists. |
Skex Relbore
Space Exploitation Inc
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2013.01.04 22:54:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Skex Relbore wrote:Ocih wrote:Cameron Cahill wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:So the case was made for NRDS.
People rushed in making the case for NBSI.
NRDS is a failure, say those who shoot anything that is not blue.
So, how's that empty and boring nullsec working out for ya?
Fine as everyone that actually lives in null knows its not empty. This is pretty hard to deny. You don't even need to live there. Just look at the rat kills and system jumps on the map. None of it is "empty". Most High sec people just ask why it is they are the ones getting beat over the back with the nerf bat every time one of CCP's spread sheets don't look all tidy and proper. I blame it on the same cry babies who come up with such brilliance as suggesting that the way to fix null is to emulate people who chose to role play racists. Again with the baseless snipes. That's what got you in to this argument. Good thing those Lawn guys before you weren't so eager to shitpost on GD or you wouldn't have any space to be bragging about. Get back on the porch, Son.
I seriously have no idea what you are on. But it must be some potent herb because you're posts make zero sense.
My argument is simple. NRDS gives all the initiative and combat advantage to outsiders rather than those who live in the space, While NBSI gives the locals a even shot at shooting first. That's why NRDS is fail and will never see widespread adoption outside of a group of people who were stupid enough to think that it would be a great basis for an alliance premised on racial supremacy (CVA) in fact back in my naive newbie days when I still had some thoughts about E-Honor I had actually looked at and dismissed CVA as an option because of the cognitive dissonance of a bunch of "racists" (yeah I know role-playing) and anti-piracy.
As far as it being a baseless snipe, I disagree. The OP has the exact same mindset as those who foolishly think that nerfing highsec will somehow drive people to low/null. If you were actually familiar with my posting history you'd know that I was never one to support such foolishness. It's that mindset that thinks that you can force someone to do something they find unpleasant for enjoyment.
The attitude that if one can't "hack it" at something in the game, that if others somehow manage to do something they can't then the game should be changed to accommodate their inadequacies. Be it the low sec gate camper crying because his fail crew couldn't kill a freighter in less than the minute it took it to despawn after the pilot discoed on a gate jump or the pirate crying about how level-4s should be moved to low sec so they could get access to those shinny mission ships (as if people would be taking their blinged out mission boats into low sec to get ganked) or the "small fleet" elite PVPer crying about blobs and NAPs/NIPs because he can only find fleets bigger than his own. The common thread is someone who is asking for a solution to a problem that doesn't actually exist. and who wants a special accommodation to make their own lives easier in by making someone else's more difficult.
You are trying to make this into a Null vs Highsec thread, but it's not. It's a smart people who understand the game and how it works vs whiny dimwits who can't figure out how to work within the existing system.
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